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Yes, that is how you do it. But there is a whole lot more nuance and technicality involved that can be gone into which is being skipped over. That said, I don't think your guide is bad for the fact that it doesn't go into those details.
3:43 AM
I instead think that the assumption that these guides are all you need is flawed and limiting when it comes to the ability for the community to grow its base of knowledge (edited)
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I think most on the GAT would probably agree that Fede's guide probably shouldn't be approved, though we haven't sorted out the details for removing approved guides
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If you mean child-rearing, that's not relevant to the content of my videos. Creation guides are how to create a tulpa - not raise them.
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Is that directed towards me?
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No, asmask (edited)
3:43 AM
sorry
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I was going to say, I did not have child-rearing in mind there
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:44 AM
"Creation guides are how to create a tulpa - not raise them." -- Look man if you can't see the problem straight from the horses mouth then nothing further I say is going to matter
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Again, you'd be way more productive here if you dropped the "you're hopeless we fundamentally disagree and this is a waste of time" here asmask
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Creation guides are how to create a tulpa How is that incorrect
3:45 AM
like mate
3:45 AM
Creation guides
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What they are saying is that they believe that short guides which do not give proper and full context are dangerous
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:46 AM
Indeed
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@Reguile
3:46 AM
My stance on this is that there should be no "Super Compact 5 Minute Video Guide to Making a Tulpa" -- it's flawed in premise.
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So the foundation of your complaints centers around the fact that you dislike guides that do not tell the reader/viewer how they should raise and support a tulpa?
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:47 AM
Not at all
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Then wtf is your point man
3:47 AM
And again, that has NO bearing on the quality of information presented in the guides.
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I believe the idea is that without proper context people will do things which are potentially dangerous without understanding what they are doing. Imagine you told someone they could repair a CRT monitor by opening it up and moving some wires around. This might result in them electrocuting themselves.
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:48 AM
My point is that you are blind to the detriment you may cause by regurgitating other guides into your microphone and slapping on some drawings
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I don't necessarily think this worry is founded, because we don't really have evidence that you need a huge amount of context in order to safely make a tulpa. I tend to believe that the risk is more inherent to the person, and that it cannot be warned away or safely practiced if you do not have the right state of mind in the first place.
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@Reguile I guarantee I could find countless videos about CRT repair on Youtube, or just text guides on some forum. I doubt most of them have lengthy discussions about the consequences and pre-requisites of doing that. It's up to the viewer to take responsibility for his or her own actions.
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The most of the CRT repair guides I see go pretty well in detail about that sort of thing
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:50 AM
"Yeah I'll fix this fucker, give me 10 minutes on youtube"
3:50 AM
.-.
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But the analogy is not necessarily equivalent to tulpa, I mean to use that analogy more to make the point then to say that making a tulpa is like fixing a CRT monitor
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And @Deleted User your continued slander of me and disrespect for guides that I've spent a lot of time on isn't earning you any favors as far as my opinion. You're a petulant child who, when challenged to find anything wrong with the content and material presented to you, instead whines about the presenter himself and the (inferior) predecessors off of which that material was based and refined.
3:51 AM
A better guide does not introduce anything new and revolutionary. This community has been around for years and has figured out what works and what doesn't. Refinement and clarification is the logical progression.
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asmask is bordering on the edge of the line, I agree, but this is crossing it wholesale. Please don't resort to very direct targeted insults.
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:52 AM
Well if that's what you've decided on, I doubt I can change your mind. You got one thing right - I do not respect your guides indeed. Respect is earned, and I really don't think your guides rise to the occasion.
3:54 AM
But you know, it's not like I get a vote.
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I asked you to provide specific, reasoned, and justified criticism, and you've decided not to. Instead, you've proven why I should ignore the complaints of someone who cannot provide reasonable discussion. So thanks for that, I guess. Feel free to post specific criticisms at any time, and I'll respond to them accordingly.
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:55 AM
I'll rise to meet you: I'll watch your videos again some time in the next few days and this time I'll take notes. We can discuss it subsequently in DM
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If you'd like to see what well-thought-out and professional critical analysis looks like, please take a look at what the GAT has already posted on the forums.
3:56 AM
Because "lol ur videos suck and ur drawings suck and u shouldnt be making guides shorter than my arbitrary requirements" earns exactly as much consideration as it deserves.
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Deleted User 5/8/2019 3:59 AM
I did say your videos suck, but that's not my criticism. That's my conclusion. And your sketches are pretty objectively low production value, but that's not the part that concerns me. Also, your guide isn't flawed because it's short. It's flawed because it's surface-level, it doesn't discuss any views alternate to your own, it doesn't encourage the viewer to build disciplined habits, etc.
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And no, it's not "regurgitated facts". The topics of the videos were carefully planned (with the exception of the last one, which I added after I felt it was needed) and are based on data I've collected myself.
4:00 AM
When I tell the viewers that visualization and form can be important, that's not based on arbitrary feelings.
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When I tell them to avoid unnecessary complications, there's a reason.
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When I specifically avoid including certain common topics of past guides, it's for a reason.
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I never really understood why meditation was always so highly emphasized
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Awesome graphs
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Careful, don't let meditation pros hear you say that. That last chart is the most controversial one I've ever made.
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I'd say meditation is probably encouraged because it puts your mind in a state where it's more receptive to the sorts of changes it needs to make to form a tulpa
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I remember when Apollo was being created, the original was highly confused about it since how is thinking about nothing a way to force a tulpa
4:02 AM
I get doing something like clearing your mind for a few minutes beforehand, but not making it your primary forcing method
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I've taken painstaking efforts to try and understand tulpas better and help people make them fasterr
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that would be more useful for something like switching methinks
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It means a lot to me. Because I think that almost everyone stands to benefit from making a tulpa.
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Many find it helps with sentience and communication
4:03 AM
Notably it makes it easier to hear a young tulpa earlier
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At the end of the day, what guide someone uses matters little, so long as the primary points get across. But by cutting the fat and leaving the meat, that makes things easier and more accessible.
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I can't tell for sure but I'm pretty sure that talking to Lyra while in a trance did more for her than talking to her when not
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Forcing helps with those things, sitting and thinking about breathing though?
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@Goopi My current hypothesis is that mind-clearing meditation stifles growth.
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No, that's just a technique to get into a trance
4:06 AM
Meditation is intense focus. Your breathing is just one thing you can focus on to get into a trance. A tulpa form is another thing you can focus on for this... (edited)
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Eh, well, compare it to learning another skill
4:06 AM
say you are trying to learn an instrument
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But I avoided telling people not to meditate in my guides because we don't know how or why the graphs look like they do.
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would getting into a trance really help that, or would it just distract you?
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No, because that's a skill that generally takes conscious effort
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I see making tulpas as similar to learning a skill, as it's you strengthening neural pathways through focus and thought
4:07 AM
making a tulpa takes conscious effort even if unintentional
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Anyway, I have one last essay to do for this semester and it's due in two hours. @Deleted User erroneous assumptions are how disinformation spreads, and why past guides sometimes failed to provide solid insights.
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A skill that involves physical movements needs to be practiced physically. A skill that involves all mental activity doesn't need this.
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gl on your essay
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Afaict tulpas also involve some amount of dissociation, and meditation induces mild dissociation.
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Why do you say that they require dissociation?
4:08 AM
I wouldn't say that's the case.
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switching requires dissociation, not tulpas in general
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Experiencing them certainly works better with it (edited)
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Assumptions that personal experiences correlate to broader patterns are faulty because they do not account for how your perception can distort reality.
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Forming them probably does too, being basically dissociated thought processes or whatever
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Honestly that doesn't match up to the experiences of most people I've helped create tulpas.
4:10 AM
Which is dozens, by now
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Very few describe dissociative habits as being even involved in their success, much less directly influential in it.
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What do you mean by dissociative habits?
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Anything that involves disconnect from body and perception, notably meditation
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Even daydreaming is mild dissociation, and in my experience, the super quick tulpamancers are often daydreamers.
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I've experimentally told several newbies to refrain from meditation after they were initially interested in it, and saw no significant difference in difficulty or modes of response compared to others (edited)
4:13 AM
anyway yeah essay sorry gotta finish it
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2019 4:32 AM
I have the feeling the reason meditation isn't working as quickly for some people is because they are more focused on the meditation, their wonderland, or their boredom rather than their Tulpa, but that's just a thought.
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Holy shit Tulpa's guide really is 200 pages
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2019 5:50 AM
Did he edit that submission after submitting it?
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I guess?
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2019 5:51 AM
Writing that review is going to be a nightmare
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Just avoid focusing on details and find broad disagreements with it
5:52 AM
You'll find through even a skimming of topics and subheadings that it has a lot of problems.
5:52 AM
To the point where I consider it unsalvageable, tbh
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the title "DIY Guide to Tulpamancy" is a bit of an oxymoron, heh
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btw @A long kiss goodnight Got a time estimate on when you can give me feedback on my guides? Just have stuff going on so if it's tomorrow I might not be able to respond in full
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2019 6:00 AM
I should be either almost done or mostly done with the review by tomorrow, if not then Thursday. Cat and I were not feeling well earlier and I wanted to make sure our review wasn't unnecessarily harsh due to issues you had nothing to do with.
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@salad if you can make a post with your back-up links, I might be able to merge it with your guide, however you won't be able to embed them all I don't think.
4:48 AM
Use [hidden] tags if necessary
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I don't want them embedded. Would just including the link in the Drive folder containing the text docs be sufficient?
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